On Being An LGBTQ+ Ambassador & Biases – Raffaele Pascale

In part 2 of our interview with Raffaele Pascale, we got a bit more personal and talked about his role as an LGBTQ+ Ambassador and his personal biases.

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In part 2 of our interview with Raffaele Pascale, we got a bit more personal and talked about his role as an LGBTQ+ Ambassador and his personal biases.

We also talked about what aspects of the localization industry can be improved.


Andrej Zito 

Let’s talk about you personally. We’ll do this second part.

Raffaele Pascale 

I didn’t do that.

Andrej Zito 

Oh, you didn’t do that before. Yeah, because we were talking about the process for two hours. So, what are you curious about right now? So, you just made a move, you became a new person in November last year. So, what is the new Raff curious about?

Raffaele Pascale 

The new Raff, after having worked so much time with the machines, I am a very, I have a very interested into humans the most. So the, and thanks to the diversity and inclusive part, I had the possibility to merge these in the company as well. I mean, not only Program Manager but also LGBT ambassador for Venga Global, managing this part of diversity inclusion. There are so many stuff at the moment going on not to focus completely and the most on them, but I mean we promise we’ll go out, we’ll go out with word contents at the moment. I mean, the the real idea that I am interested into is to teach I mean people about how to recognize biases, in attitudes, well, behaviors, but also in language. Because the language is the first again, means of contact that you have with a person. Another the you know, the only. So when you speak, you need to be careful when you use, when you address. So for example, make differentiation. You know when yours are no, I’m the normal. No, but what does it mean to be, to be normal because to me, normal doesn’t mean anything. So we really need to understand what it means to be normal. We need to be different, which is so. And from the linguistic point of view, I mean, when we speak, when we translate, when we talk with someone, we use words, and those words are an impact that you cannot imagine on the brain of the people listening to you. So let’s start from the beginning. And that’s what I’m more very interested in, though. So merging linguistic together with inclusivity. It’s my goes live demo.

Andrej Zito 

Okay, so here, here is maybe, maybe where I’ll ask stupid questions. So…

Raffaele Pascale 

No, don’t. I mean, don’t think that are stupid that are not to request.

Andrej Zito 

So when we when we talk about, like, you know, like the words they have impact, and they can affect how people think about something. How they perceive us, how they feel in the ambition when we say, right? So, so is your, let’s say, initiative, or curiosity, mostly targeted towards the people who are saying the words so that they say different words or better words? Or is it more about the people who are absorbing and listening to words, to the word so that they, let’s say, not take things that personally?

Raffaele Pascale 

I’m very interested into the thoughts before even the words are spoken. So because the biases should be changed to that right in the thoughts that you have. Thinking that a man is stronger than a women. This is very common in many, many cultures in the many, many ages. So and this is something that I mean, when we refer to, I didn’t know if there would be for example, this is this happens in Italian. No, but if there would be a woman present here in Italian to refer to everyone I need to use in any case, the masculine form, this is some fact. I mean, about this comes from the grammar. I mean, the Grammarly, I need folks. It’s in. I mean, in, it’s not folks, but in Italian, or to refer to the Hey, guys, I hate to say, but it’s not all guys, that is a woman. I mean, why, but we are tempted to do that also in English, and I can see you even bored. In English, we have a fisherman. So we are assuming all the men are doing this forever and ever during this. So these kind of words that come from a culture before the people used to do this kind of work were only men. And but this not only impacted the language, but also the culture at the moment, a woman doing those kind of jobs is not seen in a good way. I mean, she’s for sure, you know, a woman of the no view, you cannot rely on that woman know, for example, it’s And believe me, it happened on my skin to hear such comments that come on. Now, we should stop that. And I realize that we can do that just to training people understanding cultures, for example, and I’m really like the one I want to do that because it’s my curiosity. If I will tell you now Andre, let’s, let’s think about what Okay, now, think about what? Water Water, water, okay? The water. So you need to give agenda to water. So which gender you will give it to the water put water? Imagine yourself for water? How do you imagine?

Andrej Zito 

Well, initially, I would say it like a neutral. But the second point would be if I had to choose between if I had to choose, I would pick feminine, feminine? Yes, for some reason.

Raffaele Pascale 

So no, I can tell you even the reason because maybe you grew up with an Eastern culture with a religion or maybe of the Eastern culture on your family, simply so and this is what gives the items in animate items that we have around the gender in our imagination. So here you can see how language shapes the way you see the word because it’s not. I mean, for the most of American cultures water is masculine because of the Mississippi because of the river Mississippi and our river, Mississippi look within the event window within the song, it’s a man now all demand Mississippi, I don’t know if y’all know this song. And on the eastern culture on the east side of you, it’s feminine this because of the religion of, you know, the river ganja that actually was linked to the to a woman culture well to a woman gap. So Robin is in this sense. So that’s why we as Europeans think to water as feminine. And in America on the other side of the world, think of the water as a masculine. So I did an online real time ball and you cannot see you cannot believe the results. I mean, they pre practically show on those I mean, because the audience hopefully was equally divided between the word. And we saw that was I mean, at the most of them were but most of them were from Europa, I mean, grew in judo. But then if you move into America, it doesn’t matter. You grew up in Europe. So the culture, the biases, everything is from the European side of view, not from the western side of you. But it’s different.

Andrej Zito 

When we talk about the biases, to me like it’s, do you think there’s still hope, let’s say changing the biases or the mindsets of the older people? Or is it more about just educating the the younger people who are born into a different world where the things are more, let’s say, acceptable or different?

Raffaele Pascale 

I think we need to educate people to understand new and well a new generation and the previous generation. And to pay attention. I didn’t use all the these is the change of the because old timer, previous generation immers boomers. Yeah. And so we need to teach them on the new on the those people that needs a visibility. Now today the most, that as long well. So far, they have been completely excluded from the society, with the need to train the people to know what it means to be gay, what it means to be lesbian, what it means to be non binary, what it means to be intersexual, what means gender, and which is the difference between gender and sexual orientation. And so it’s different. So those differences needs to be new, then maybe you can have your opinion, but at least learn and then you will have your opinion and your judgment, no biases anymore. Because now you know, now you can judge. You cannot by us, I mean, it’s not a bias. It’s a judgment on the basis of what you know, those people are like these? Are they really? Do they really need to be excluded from the society or maybe not. So you choose for sure. But of course, at least you know, so that’s what I want to pass today. So I sort of training about unconscious biases, because from the psychology side, your brain will decide for you in the first seven seconds, seven seconds that you need to make a choice between two items. So if you are buying a mobile phone, or an agenda, that’s an agenda it’s better if you need to buy an agenda, your brain already decided on the basis of what has been bought inside through the marketing campaigns, through the sports through the stuff for you to what you’re used to see. That’s why the unconscious always will always work. No, it needs I mean, we need it to survive at the unconscious biases lpu to reactor for example, in a yujun situation when there is a lie you need to run. This is an unconscious bias and also consciously you know that you need to run. But yes, I mean unconsciously No, you know that there is a danger that there is something here that you need to do. So that’s why we need to think that unconsciously we have biases about to people that we don’t even know so why are we judging and before knowing even so let’s let’s do those kinds of training. Let’s see. And of course loving languages say want to both languages as much as I as possible to make a difference is that there are plans in preparing in your staff for the diversity and inclusion but for First of all, I think we need a clarification between where we are at today with inclusive pronouns, for example. And do really, I mean, how many non binary people? Do you know, today? maybe nobody, maybe some, but do your friends know them? So? Are they the same as we are? I’m sure. 100% Yes, they are. There are no diversities, but to show that we need to demonstrate this to the people. I mean, we need to show that we are I mean, as a gay identify, I mean, I’m a gay. So I’m a normal as 99% of the people and the 99. Because the 1% they can have a disease mentally that can we cannot consider in a standard way of thinking about just that’s why we excluded 1% it just because there is a disease that actually does not, but we are all the same. And even if there is a disease, we need to see where is this disease, how we can help those people don’t feel that less diverse than also because human Lee speaking, we are exactly the same. Maybe we cannot have the same skills, maybe we cannot have the same agenda. Maybe we cannot have the same sexual orientation, maybe we cannot be as lucky to be, you know, born without an issue. But we are all the same. We are all human. So be human to be diverse.

Andrej Zito 

So is that what the role of Ambassador is about? Mostly like educating the public?

Raffaele Pascale 

I hope so. I mean, yes, the first first thing is to educate at least people internally internally in the company, because the needs of a diversity and inclusion manager or an LGBT Ambassador is to make sure that the company follows the steps to onboard the people of different cultures, different races, different sexual orientation. So and there are a lot of big washings I don’t know if you know this term, but companies pretending to be LGBT open, but in the end without doing anything, right, so pink washing. So this is the result as high discussion about the demo, because we know that there are advantages to being LGBT, you know, inclusive, but because the marketing because and then in the end, they don’t employ LGBT people. They don’t employ people from other races, or they treat them they don’t have a proper recruiter and system for those people may be asking questions, like, what did you discover to be trans? Sorry, but this is, I mean, this is not related to the job. nephesh? Yes. I mean, it’s not the like, for this. And it’s possible that maybe you are asking because it could be simple for curiosity, curiosity, but it should not be because, you know, there are processes that should be followed for that. And that’s, that’s where the LGBT Ambassador can help but also, to join, you know, between, let’s say, initiatives, so, we can, for example, we can help in doing, you know, a more diverse and inclusive environment, in case our client needs some suggestions on the basis of linguistic point of view on the linguistic point of view, but also again, in the employment staff or issue they need, like asst I identify if they are enough diversity and inclusive in the contents as well. Because again, maybe you are the sweetest person in this world. Okay, that you would never offend anybody. But your culture I was born for example, in Italy, the south of Italy is a tiny town where you can imagine how difficult it’s been gay I mean, it’s been super difficult but in in the end, I mean, I was I never had problems showing who I you know, who I am, because but I am this personality. There are maybe other people more close the more you know, Timmy timid in this sense. So, you need I mean, no, we need but those are maybe learned from their parents, their society to be a little bit distant In any case, you know, even with the Other gay people or people the same because it’s inside your brain, it’s inside your culture and you need to break it. So that’s the point. And you cannot refer to one on binary we as a she, or he, I mean, it’s a non binary, there is a reason why that that person is not feeling nor a man or a woman, but maybe both. So they need a specific pronoun. And, you know, it’s unbelievable the way that actually today we need to also think that we, we don’t have to consider only Europe in the sense that our Arabic culture so you know, he worries even forbidden to be gay. So the trainings about who we are, and I feel the one of course, who we are, as a gay non binary, again, intersexual trans, we need to show those people who we are, if we pretend them to respect us, or to show them that we are not the same as them. Like, we are simply the same as them. It’s like, I’m not sorry, I did I just say booger. But we are exactly the same of them. I mean, exactly the same a man, man, Adam binary can even teach you more things about the feelings that this person have. You know, it’s, again, a matter of cultures and it’s a matter of human. Now, professionally speaking, I really don’t care about anything else apart from your skills, then. To me, it’s you can do whatever gender or sexual orientation then completely welcome. I would even love it more. Yes, if you feel normal, so don’t come here. Ah, because we don’t accept the robot. Because we simply don’t know what does it mean doorbell I mean, a doorman. So yeah, it’s people.

Andrej Zito 

Yeah, normal typically means mainstream.

Raffaele Pascale 

I would say. Because we, you know, and I want to explain this, we need to know, to think that normal can be something for me, but something different for you. So who decides what is normal? The culture? So, okay, we deleted the normality and the diversity because normal does not exist, if we don’t have diversities, okay. That should not be any normal. And then he’s done that if there are no diversities, we need to understand that we are no diverse at all, to consider normal a comparative to someone else. We are simply human. So I can be. Normally I am really struggling using any suggestion with a normal adjective because it’s but you are simply the normal, normal doesn’t mean good hand the different doesn’t mean that this is for sure. 100% sure. I mean, it depends then on the, what do the limits that you put to be normal and be different.

Andrej Zito 

Speaking of biases, what is something that people seem to misunderstand about you? Let’s say when we talk about first impression that’s what they misunderstand about you. What I mean by misunderstanding is that let’s say I meet you and I think that okay, Raff is very funny. He likes to talk he’s super joyful, cheerful, and but misunderstanding would be let’s say if you are introvert, if let’s say your impression that you give is different than what you actually are.

Raffaele Pascale 

Sometimes I love joking, you know making jokes that can because of the cultures and the different stuff that cannot be you know, seen in a bronco way that actually is not in the so that’s that’s what the misunderstanding is where actually you have but again this is because of the culture maybe to me, it’s super easy to joke. I don’t know about shoes, these don’t know. I’m making you a joke about shoes while it’s not the same for someone. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t have an example now. But maybe obliged to work mandatory 12 hours a day in a shoes factory. These I really took someone something but definitely. This is the point. I mean, I’m not doing it because intention, I want to offend you. I’m just doing a job. I’m sorry. I’ve been so so and that’s what sometimes happen even to those readers people that they do jokes that may be different. I mean, the people that that is in front of you are not taking the same that you are in a different way completely, because they have simply another culture, right? It’s not. So if this is understanding that sometimes it’s creative. And second thing, there are two things. When, when I complain about issues, I mean, I complain about the situation generally about the fact that the situation is making me mad, why this happened, but I’m not I mean, I don’t have anything against the person that maybe did this error, because it can happen to wherever now it happened. But I’m not angry, angry with this person in particular, I continue, I estimate this person as before I continue value this person as before, so it’s not, but this is what happens sometimes. No, no, it’s not. I mean, it’s not that I’m saying you are, I mean, you did everything. But this happened, like in everything that could happen. So it’s never with the person because person itself is human again, so whoever can be wrong or whoever, so right, without any difference.

Andrej Zito 

Here’s where you would need to give me some advice, because to me, it’s because I tend to be the person who likes to maybe sometimes point fingers, I’m trying to unlearn that and be like you like, this is fucked up. But hey, I still love you know, what can we do better? But how do you ensure that, let’s say your criticism or your madness, that other people feel it’s about the situation and about themselves?

Raffaele Pascale 

This should be I mean, I think that they should be controlled and why you speak? I mean, not because this happens, for example, when I say, oh, but you did this, or why did you do this? Or no, sorry? I don’t know why, yes. But I’m not saying that you are bad. They know why they did it. Is there a logic? To understand that to break the logic, the logic behind this thought is not because I want to address you, I’m pointing out Okay, then they understand. But you need to explain I mean, the only thing is explanation, and maybe, let’s start with a conversation saying, hey, please forgive me for whatever I will say about this project made me you know, sent me to the hatch. And okay. Like, so forgive me for whatever is happening from now on. But now let’s focus on and that because then the comments, the staffs, come on, why did that happen? So it’s normal, they, you know, they it’s normal, they have Well, you know, what, we’re not machines, and people around you. It’s all of course, everything. And most of that depends on the relationship that you have, that you had during the time and you cannot pretend to be always, you know, bad. And then No, no, but the No, if you are always bad, you’re bad. I mean, it’s just bad and bad. But these are, you know, these can be on serious people when, you know, you’re more serious more than people in front of you can take the things more seriously, even the complaints. But if, as you can imagine me managing a project with my team, I mean, we have allows all the time, if we can not stopping, because that’s what I said, Yes, I understand that. We need to work. I mean, that’s our job. Right? So and the problems are on a daily basis present, you know, projects are where they are, at least Let’s smile. So we enlight the day and we do that in a better way. First thing is please smile, always. Because there will be always issues, even if you will, you don’t see them now, but tomorrow, there will be for sure. It cannot be normal. I mean, this is something that I really love to say. We need to have issues to learn. I mean, we need to learn from the past to be better people otherwise is not is not growing. So it’s not leaving in either we need to fall down, then go up again. So to stand up and continue. It’s like, if you look at the heartbeat, and I love these, you know the heartbeat is like a mountain you know, and there is always like on the top and then you have issues on the top and I have issues it means you’re alive. So just think about that. It means you’re alive, right? So if there is a line always like these dance start. Manga Yeah. That’s the word I guess you can do that. So you want to be.

Andrej Zito 

Right, right? Yeah, that’s, that’s a good pearl. So speaking about the biases and your goal to see change, well started by educating and then maybe, hopefully, they will change their biases or remove them. What is something that you had a bias about? And you then learn something, and it’s went away?

Raffaele Pascale 

On my own, there are many, I mean, I need I’m chosen. Well, I told you, I mean, I give, the lucky thing is that I started traveling, when I was like, 14, so when I was 14, my first travel was to Finland, the one month that and the starting doing those kinds of cultural exchange, it’s something that helps you to go beyond to go over everything. So but all the bias that I had the most, you cannot believe it. You know, I feel a shame as they tell you this, but about sexual orientation. I was. I mean, and I am shame, the of walking hand to wander in the street with my husband. This is a buy, because I think about what the people can think of this is an unconscious bias, because people one, it’s not sure people are looking at you. So one was the wall, you are not such superstar. And the second one, who cares? I mean, even if they then have a problem, your life will continue anyway. I know. But this is something that I’m bringing with me from the community I grew up, because I cannot imagine I mean, my parents now everyone knows my family about me and my sexual orientation about I cannot look at myself hanging, you know, hand dancer with my husband in front of my parents, it would be too much. Yeah, but this one, actually, they know we are getting married. I mean, so they will come to the wedding. So it’s like, but it still causes me and this is a bias of the culture that it’s completely within your brain. And these should be completely you know, now I’m, I’m saying I’m doing steps, I mean, improvement, step by step.

Andrej Zito 

Maybe, maybe, let us let us into your world? What are the steps? Like how do you rewire your brain about this?

Raffaele Pascale 

I simply Yeah, that’s what the the initial stuff that I mentioned before, like, resides, the timing of besides what you are thinking of what you are ashamed of, I mean, what I am ashamed of, I am ashamed of people looking at me with the hands in hands with my husband, okay, what happens if those people will look at you? If, first of all if, again, you are not on a stage? And second one is? Let’s try to think these with the needle. I mean, this is I this just need to accept that people will judge in any sense. I mean, if it’s good, or if it’s bad, they will, they will say, oh, what’s a nice thing, or what’s a bad thing. So just accept that there will be a point of view. And just resize that point of view, because this point of view is not your life, your life is with your husband, if you’re not hanging your husband today is just you from your life, that prevented of having this experience today, you know, running or maybe walking on a beach with your husband. And because you lost that opportunity, the people around you will judge you. In any case, even if you don’t do that, if you don’t do that, they will say Oh, they are friends. So even if you don’t do that, people will judge. But this judgmental it’s just because again, people doesn’t want to really judge in a bad or good way because we have an idea or the world around us. Now the problem itself is only mine. I mean, if I have shame of it, just mine because I am Vivendi. I mean I am it’s myself only that I’m showing it to those people in a way that maybe I don’t want to show that again, the problem is just me. So don’t be the problem or yourself and that please express yourself further was the you want Singing, dancing wherever. Because people need to accept us the way we are. I mean, it’s not like we cannot be differently, otherwise we will be machines.

Andrej Zito 

Yes. But okay, so so when I asked you about the steps that you take, so I think step one would be just to realize that okay, it’s in your brain. But what do you practically? Let’s say, let’s say, I don’t know. Well, today, it’s already late. I don’t know if you got you started doing it. Yeah, yeah.

Raffaele Pascale 

Well, not just just like with, with the hand, or hanging, but I mean, yes. Don’t pretend. I mean, because there are people. So he’s saying, you know, sometimes you give a key. So just because cobbles on the beach. Don’t pretend this for now, but I will do, I promise, I will do these. I mean, it’s, it’s the limits that we bought in ourselves, just because, and not because I need to show that I kiss my ass. But you know, you can kiss your husband, not just simple keys, just, but it’s still something that I’m preventing myself to do, when maybe nobody’s getting about that. So please do that. I mean, do that. It’s Don’t worry, the word will, will not I mean, maybe the word can change in a positive way. People start looking at the two men kissing each other’s more frequently. So they can see that these is the word I mean, this is the reality we are not just simply talking because this is the reality to monkeys. cinco gaff, yes, the monkey see, it can be here for me strange again, it’s not. I mean, I don’t judge and when I see people doing it, oh my god, I am so like, Whoa, God, they’re so predicted and my husband why you don’t do that. It’s true, I can keep longer distance now it’s, again, it’s a bias that you need to enter if it’s not for B, then in the county, because I know that in many countries is even forbidden. So please, please, let’s do that. Because we can show to other countries that this is exactly the same of nature of sexual capital, etc. Go over to women, etc. of, you know, people kissing and just sharing love because it’s love. It’s anything else. When Of course it should be always in the limit and respect of the people around you. We are talking when we saw but of course it’s neither outside any limit and imagination also, even another sexual gobble would be like come on out of scenario Yeah, that’s so always in the respect of other peoples around you then let’s be human Let’s be human because the human is being diverse I’ve like only this it’s because I feel that today, we saw so many social media so many technology so much and now with the COVID were actually the situation is even worse with the distance you know, that you need to keep but you need to people are more in you know, becoming more machine certain human therefore getting the human behavior, the human feelings, you know, or no, but even for tight deadline, so we need to understand that it’s true, but it cannot be so tied when there is a bank holiday, or no but to be extra words, yes, we understand the following. We say no, we cannot oblige the linguist to not leave this law, I mean, his life or her life in this sense, because it’s a bank holiday. That’s the humanity I’m speaking, we lose the fact that we have free time and we have also time for us not only for working and also even while working we are still human. So we we talk each other. So when we talk to colleagues, just to respect the colleagues you have just to not pretend to things please I need these these and these for tomorrow Okay, bye. This is not there are attitudes like these, we cannot I mean, there are stronger, let’s say tones within even email. So within that I would really minimize as much as possible. Because even if, even if there are issues we are, you know, there are no human lives risks. I mean, nobody is Hi. So let’s resize ratio, I understand the complaints or complaints. I’m the first one, the most committed on the quality, as you saw before, qualities, my point of view after the quote, so even the management is all based on the quality, but that’s the point. to respect the quality, it’s, we need to respect the time to respect the time we need to respect humans. All that comes to be human. I mean, all comes to be human.

Andrej Zito 

So let’s let’s go back to the hell a little bit for a while. My notorious question, what do you think is wrong with our industry?

Raffaele Pascale 

Question? Well, wrong things. And I can see one of the things Lastly, I’ve seen wrong, but just because it makes are there to work. The merging, I think that the the highest discussion, while the most discussed merging between SDL and Ws rW as such, I don’t see it in a good way. But not I mean, not in terms of workload, or one or two. bigs like these maraging one, they keep too many smaller, outside of the games, too many. So they are playing the games hold ourselves. So because they are too big, so we know that they can provide everything both of them. So I agree with the partnerships. I don’t agree when partnerships are so like, you know, when you are excluding the it’s true that it’s a competition, it’s true that you have a competition, but let’s always try to do good competition. So to be a competitor, but in a good way. So the wrong thing is, let’s say these merging everything in one, one, or maybe two, can give different services, maybe bad that don’t know, it’s just my opinion, from the outside, having worked for both of them. I know how our Ws works, I know how as the URL works, the toll the management systems. So, of course, it’s good, of course, it’s very good merging in terms of if we want to all, you know, all go to the money side of you, it’s good in the sense. But from the other side of you, we are not being I mean, it’s making the games very difficult for the others, that’s totally just to compete. Because I record the voice, let’s say a voice recognition system, as you said before, it’s used to be crowd sourced. Okay, but then the crowd source, the quality will be that one that that machine will have. So and maybe a big, it’s easy for a big one, it’s easier to grab the source than to pan at all, because of the costs because of many things. And so, we need to see if the partnership gives all the good aspects in everything quality come competition, services, management, and both together. So but this is the only thing I mean, I want to mention as wrong good thing. Then there could be stuff that we can discuss, like the carrier within these fields that is still challenging for for a person because maybe we are giving you know, maybe, let’s say, Can I say that it’s been not lucky, but esteana discover the management the point of me from a client asking for management and me, you know, lounging on it, for example, translators, especially in our translators, sometimes are underestimated of how much more they can give to the company. In terms of assistance to the manager, they can give maybe the dashboard, but maybe we are looking at them only as translators. So we are making for them even difficult to carry year if they maybe want to grow up but I suppose it managers and maybe more and more. So the challenges are those one for example, it’s difficult for a translator big Timing project manager, if the translator does not have any project management experience, but to have an experience, we should have someone assigning a project, otherwise, it will be always a translation. So I think that, especially if lsps air inside in house translators, maybe a management test can be useful to just understand the where your resources can help you most in on more or more in other fields of your clients, or maybe medical maybe, you know, management also, because it’s the point of view. So I always say that the point of view is, it cannot be the same a my point of view or your point of view, there will be maybe similar but still too. So the second point of view is super helpful or to improve for the improvement step. Because it’s a second point of view, maybe I’m always used to manage these in that way. Or that translator can show me Oh, but you didn’t see that maybe we can change in this aspect. Because, you know, and this is more for managers that do not have linguistic aspects, for example, inside in the skills, maybe they just became a manager and they are super good manager, but never been in translation fields, you don’t know how maybe fuzzy can be more discounted, let’s say that it could be discounts for 55, to 70. And from 70 to 98, a translator can help a manager to understand why and maybe you can, quote, better for clients better for Euro speech, you know, I think that we are all a team, but translators are really important in our in our job. So let’s give importance to them, please.

Andrej Zito 

Okay, so this might already count as the final words from you. But you know, but you’re still, you still get the chance. So thank you ruff for the interview. Let’s wrap it up with the final words from you. This is where let’s say you could speak to the minds of everyone in the industry, what would you tell them? Or what would you change?

Raffaele Pascale 

I would, I would suggest one thing, but don’t be afraid of anything. I mean, and always try to make clear and understandable the your point of view to your superiors or to whoever is around you. Because I mean, I’m sure that your voice will be heard. And smarter ideas will give smarter results. So don’t worry about exposing yourself like, oh, maybe this is too stupid, maybe no, as I said, there are no stupid the scenes things that are no. And, you know, with the things with zero value, but all the things that are valuable on the basis of the importance you give to the things. So if this thing is important for us important for everyone, because you first of all, then the surrounding. So this is my suggestion, in everything. Translation point of view, life point of view, management point of view. So you manage the budget of a client, you manage the quality of a client, you manage the life of yourself. So choose on the basis of your understanding, try to always understand what you have, you know, in front of so try to always understand that it could be a project, it could be a person, it could be a client, try to always vote in the other shoe says, And don’t worry about expressing yourself. Because you don’t have anything, you will not lose anything. So don’t don’t worry about losing anything. So yeah, that’s my suggestion.

Andrej Zito 

All right. Well, thank you Raff very much for the interview.

Raffaele Pascale 

Welcome.

Andrej Zito 

Two hours with you. Thank you for guiding us through the process of data collection and talking about inclusivity and your life and everything. It was very positive. So thank you again.

Raffaele Pascale 

Thank you. Thank you.

Andrej Zito 

And we’ll check maybe some other time. Yeah.

Raffaele Pascale 

All right. Bye.

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